Jeremy was scheduled to met with the lender again today to do more paperwork. I was asked to tag along and so I did.
The lender is so fucking crazy! Listen to this!
When we got there the lender drove us nuts during this little hour meeting. She wanted Jeremy to sign a bunch of BLANK documents that her co-worker “will just finish up with filling it out later.” He questioned her on all the papers and why they were blank and she had either no answer, “not sure, really.”, or she just VERY QUICKLY said “oh, that’s just a paper saying we need to check this or that, its silly, I know.” What the fuck answer is that. So, after a phone call not explaining much else he the “gist” of what each paper was for and signed them.
Then she told Jeremy that he wasn’t really “100%” approved like she thought. She was still waiting on approval from somebody else. WHAT??! She told him NUMEROUS times he was already approved. “Everything was set”, all he had to do was wait for closing day. The Realtor told him the same thing. Now, all the sudden everything needs to be approved by somebody else. She claimed that she only recently found out about that. Jeremy tried to get her to explain everything in more detail but she’d jump to another subject right away. She was in a rush to meet her husband for lunch and shit. It was complete bullshit.
I’m going to rewind to something a few weeks prior for a minute, in order to explain the phone call in the next paragraph.
The lender had told Jeremy that he could try to qualify for down payment assistance a few weeks ago. Jeremy would put down X amount of money and an organization would put up the rest as a grant. So, he agreed to try for it. Hey, extra down payment money and it doesn’t have to be paid back, hell yeah! So, he had gone and filled out the application and then she had called a week or so later and told him that he did qualify! How wonderful! He was going to be receiving $2500 in down payment assistance! AWESOME!
Yeah, well yesterday at our little meeting the lender was so “stumped” about some of those blank documents Jeremy questioned, that she called a fellow co-worker. The same worker who would be filling in the blanks later after they were signed. The women did not answer anything any better but she did let slip, (the lender immediately grabbed the phone and switched it off speaker phone), that Jeremy wasn’t qualified for down payment assistance yet. She hadn’t sent in the paperwork and would not be sending it in until all these other papers were signed (the blank one and some others). Jeremy and I had been quietly trying to discuss those documents when I heard the women on the phone say that. Jeremy was in the middle of saying something so I kept listening to him and watched the lender snatch up the phone and turn slightly in her chair to talk more quietly with the lady on the phone. I meant to bring it up when she was off the phone and Jeremy was done talking but she sidetracked me right way. (Jeremy will ask her later) The second she hung up the phone she starting rattling off that I “flagged” somebody. What? “How? What did I do?” Well, she was “worried” about our situation being questioned.
She told us that she hit a “snag” in the loan process. That supposedly we needed to “explain AWAY my existence in order to continue the financing process.” Since I was not applying with Jeremy for the loan. She claims that it was brought to her attention recently that any person who will be residing in the new house needs to be included in the loan paperwork. All my income for the last two years, tax returns and so on. They claim it “looks unusual that two unmarried people are living together but only one is listed as the applicant.”
I really do not see our situation as unusual. What “flagged” them was my name is listed on Jeremy’s bank account as an authorized user. So what?? Many non-married couples who have been living together for a few years grant access to each other’s bank accounts. How is this unusual? I find this to be very strange.
The lender told me that I need to submit a statement to her, for review and to go into the records, explaining why we are living together, have access to one another’s bank accounts, but I am not on the application. I told her that we had access to one another’s accounts simply because we live together as domestic partners and that it is convenient to have access to one another’s accounts for whoever gets around to paying the bills first and so we can use funds in the accounts without needing the other person present to access those funds. The lender shook her head and said, “Um, don’t say that in the statement. It looks bad.” What?! Its the truth . Why does it look bad? No answer from her other than, “Then your income will need to be considered, along with your other information for the loan process. You would not be liable for the loan but your income will still be considered.” WHY? Jeremy is the one buying the house! “We would still have to add your information if your going to be living there.” So, she told me to say I’m just a roommate. I’ll get to that part, in more detail, in a minute. So, Jeremy can’t have a girlfriend and buy a home in his name without said girlfriend being considered for buying the home?! That is stupid, it makes no sense! I’ve never heard of that!
So, I’m very confused by this point and I’m going over it in my head… I won’t be on the application, my income will not be considered for repayment of the loan, however, she still needs my information because I will be living there and she needs to take it into consideration for the loan. Strange.
Now, Jeremy was already told he qualified completely, on his own. No problem. We asked this and she agreed that he does qualify on his own but that she just found out he isn’t quite approved yet. OK….Still confused as to why I need to provide my information then. “Its just paperwork.” We need to address the situation of ME. So, if I’m his girlfriend then my information effects his ability to buy a home on his own? Yes. So, I will not be responsible for the loan, my income will not be considered for repayment of the loan? Yes. So, it will be solely Jeremy’s house? Yes. But you need my information “approved” before he can get his loan. Yes. This makes no sense!
I mean, I don’t mind providing my information. I have a decent credit score and stuff, but it just does not sound right. It sounds like bullshit. Why would “my existence in his household”, as she politely put it, have an impact on HIS loan when, my income will not be counted for repaying the loan and I would still be left off the deed. This makes no fucking sense! The wonderful thing is, she can’t give us a straight answer as to WHY we need to do this in order to finalize the loan agreement. Its just something they need. They can’t finalize HIS loan without my information, that will count towards his final approval for loan, but will not count for repaying the loan. Fucking bullshit! Does this make sense to anybody?!
(So, here is what she told us I should say in the statement.)
She thought she would “help us out” with the “situation” by covering her ears and giving us a suggestion. “You didn’t hear this from me but, I think the best way to handle this would be to say in your statement to our company that you and Jeremy are just roommates. Say that neither of you have any family in North Carolina so the two of you have gotten a limited liability access clause added to each other’s bank accounts for emergency purposes. That way if anything happened to either of you, the other could then access your funds and notify family members. Many people have agreements like that with very close friends so it does not seem unusual if thats your situation. You will also want to mention in the statement that you have no plans to live in the resident Jeremy is purchasing. Your just roommates and once Jeremy buys his home you will be moving out. That takes you out of the situation.”
That is truly what she told us to do! Um, hello THAT IS LOAN FRAUD! Fucking idiot. No fucking way would we do something like that! Its our ass if we would get caught. Plus, this is really funny, she has copies of the last few months of bank statements! Does she not think that somebody would notice WE USE EACH OTHER’S ACCOUNTS ALL THE TIME! There are numerous funds transfers listed on those statements from one account to the other! We use my account to pay the rent and sometimes for personal purchases and his to pay smaller bills and do household shopping. I really can not believe this women!
They were also trying to process the loan as Jeremy NOT being a first time home buyer! Fucking stupid people. Lenders are supposed to help you through “one the biggest and most satisfying purchases of you life”, and this lady botches everything! We ended up leaving her office so fucking confused as to what the hell was going on! When we upgrade to a better house we know who we will NOT be going through! Jeremy can’t wait to be done with these morons!
This isn’t the first time they screwed everything up, either. When Jeremy first started working with this lender, the Realtor referred us to her, she said that Jeremy qualified for X amount of loan. So, we started seeing homes in the price range. Then the Realtor said that the lender called her and told her that Jeremy could go X thousands higher. Ok. So we stayed around the original price range and the Realtor kept pushing to look at higher priced ones. So, we checked out a few higher priced homes. Then Jeremy spoke with the Realtor again and she said we could look at homes a little higher. Jeremy told her he wanted to stick with the original price range and she told him he would never find anything good in that range. We were looking too low. Then the Realtor kept picking out houses that did not meet what he was looking for, “Oh, but this house would be great for you two.” If we looked at a house in a lower range she tried to talk us out of it because, “it was too big for us”, “you don’t want anything you’ll have to put much work into”, “houses are an investment so you need to be thinking about what house will have the best resale value”, and so on. Quiet irritating. Plus, Jeremy felt like she was rushing him because she kept telling him that he needed to decide on a home soon before the interest rates climbed too high. We had found a really awesome place that was 2500 square feet, almost brand new, completely remodeled inside, and came on over an acre of land…”You’ll never get financing for that. Its a modular home. Modular homes can’t qualify for regular mortgage loans.” She even tried to get him to look at condos when Jeremy told her right off the bat, twice, that he wanted an actual house. “Are you sure you don’t want to buy a condo? I have some really nice condos available for a good price?” NO!
Poor Jeremy. Buying his first house has become a nightmare. A constant irritation.
Its our own fault though. We tried to read up about the steps to buying a house before he decided he wanted to do it and yet, we still make a lot of stupid choices. He should have chosen a different Realtor and lender but we didn’t realized in time that it would be such a fucking mess. Well, I guess on the bright side we have learned some valuable lessons about the home buying process for next time.
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